Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #webwork, 2012-09-22

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13:41 Paul_Pearson Mike, does webwork have a blog that anyone can comment on and that could send out email to select users when changes have been made to the blog?
13:43 Paul_Pearson My idea is that we should crowdsource the reporting of duplicate questions in the OPL.  People in the crowd could post the locations of duplicate files to a blog.  If the blog also told me and jj and others that changes have been made, we could then check and remove the duplicates.
13:44 mgage well, bugzilla actually does something like that.  one could also implement such a thing on the wiki.  in both cases and for that matter for a public blog the trick is to make it so easy to get to that people use it
13:45 mgage that probably means building it into either the PGProblem editor or the library
13:46 mgage once the UI is in the library it is not so important where the comments are aggregated.
13:46 mgage bugzilla automatically sends out emails -- I think you can configure wiki pages to notify certain users when they are updated, but I don't know the details for media wiki
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18:31 aubreyja Hi gage - around?
18:31 aubreyja mgage
19:20 mgage aubreyja:  hi back
19:20 mgage took the dog for a walk
19:21 aubreyja Hi - just finishing up a script to watch ucsd-cse103 for inotify events and then git add/commit changes to the git repo. Wasn't so hard after all
19:23 mgage sounds cool -- if Yoav wants something more experimental we could move his course to test.webwork  (or if he wants to be really way out we could move it to hosted2 with Rob Beezer )
19:23 aubreyja So, changes from the web-interface will get pushed to the git repo.  I still need to test for the source of the change so that it's not needlessly called when updates from an external git push go into the directory
19:23 aubreyja yeah, this is all so far pretty isolated stuf
19:24 mgage how does the script get notified from the web interface?
19:24 mgage something embedded in PGProblemEditor
19:24 mgage not sure I know what inotify events are
19:25 aubreyja no, the linux kernel has a notification system called inotify to notify applications when files change
19:25 mgage ok -- I see -- that makes it very independent
19:26 aubreyja and cpan has a Linux::Inotify2 library to hook into that for watching directories, etc. So, you just have to cook up a handler to do something when a notifications comes
19:26 mgage I see
19:28 mgage I see yoav asking about load -- somewhere on our agenda we should make another attempt at proper profiling of our servers so we (a) know how webwork is performing (b) how the server is performing -- as someone one noticed the timing log is pretty much just measuring the rendering time for the problem, not the entire time to serve the file
19:28 aubreyja yes
19:29 mgage I signed up for Devlin's course, but haven't started working on it yet -- are you following along?
19:29 aubreyja same here, signed up, even volunteered as a community ta, but haven't had a chance to check in yet
19:31 mgage I'll hold off on the ta business.  I'm "taking" a whole bunch of courses and trying to do homework in most of them to keep myself honest :-)  Working on ruby assignments now for the software engineering course --
19:32 aubreyja I also signed up for "computing for data analysis" to learn R - starts monday
19:32 mgage ruby is surprisingly like perl, after you get used to a couple of differences.  I'm thinking of rewriting my ruby answers in perl just to show the similarities.  not a lot of perl fans
19:32 aubreyja cool
19:32 aubreyja it's fashionable to not be a perl fan
19:33 mgage I took an R course a couple of years ago -- I've forgotten much of it -- it is like matlab, but arrays can also have borders that label the rows and columns (called frames if I remember correctly) -- that can cause surprises.
19:34 mgage one thing that R has that I'd like to imitate is an automated submission system that allows you to submit new macros.
19:34 mgage something to consider for automatic evaluation of problem submission -- at least make sure they don't bomb.
19:35 aubreyja that sounds interesting...
19:35 mgage yes -- think about it as you take the course
19:36 mgage meantime -- WeBWorK::Fitchburg which I've fallen way behind on
19:37 aubreyja yes, so who do we have commitments from?
19:38 mgage I haven't heard back from the WPI people  Bill Farr and Joe Petruccelli -- I have heard from Neil Heffernan who wrote the ASSISTments package that was referred to in the NYT
19:38 aubreyja oh, I didn't realize that, I should read that article then :)
19:39 mgage As to people,  David is really interested in coming so I think he and Peter get to work on a general framework for ContentGenerators
19:40 mgage Sam Hathaway seems to be coming -- (always a bit last minute with him).
19:40 mgage I haven't heard back from either Wylie or Freeman (Freeman about the lunch support -- they are supporting sam)
19:41 mgage we haven't advertised much yet -- I was waiting a little bit to see how much response we would get from WPI and then I got distracted by homework. :-)  who do we want?
19:42 mgage I'm afraid everyone got a bit preoccupied by the start up of the semester.
19:43 aubreyja Well, I think having David and Peter working on ContentGenerators could probably give us a 'theme' for it
19:43 aubreyja so, maybe we can get people who can support that
19:43 aubreyja and contribute to it
19:43 aubreyja Who else from Rochester was working on that?
19:43 mgage brb -- dog's dinner time
19:44 mgage Grant He -- but I don't know if he will be available -- and he was working from a slightly different perspective
19:45 mgage I've shared a google doc -- brb
19:49 mgage who else should I share it with?  Djun, Aaron, Alina? do you have gmail addresses for them?
19:54 aubreyja sure…just a sec I'll look
19:58 aubreyja I can only find a gmail address for djun
19:58 mgage I shared to their email addresses for the other two
19:58 aubreyja He would be a good person to invite for this too
19:59 aubreyja Maybe the other ubc guy too?
20:00 mgage maybe -- wasn't sure if he time to put into webwork beyond kibitzing -- peter asked for Danny Glin  -- apparently Djun, Danny, and Peter worked well at coming up with a spec -- David knew a lot about how to implement it
20:01 aubreyja sounds good
20:01 mgage What is Davide Cervone's situation?  -- did you talk about this in the recent conference calls?  I haven't been able to come.
20:02 aubreyja He wasn't there on Thursday, but my impression is that he is very busy this semester. Can't hurt to ask though
20:02 aubreyja Maybe Anneke again? Or Robin?
20:03 mgage Anneke definitely if we are going to do anything more with documentation -- what else did she work on at Winona?
20:04 mgage Brian Walton?
20:07 aubreyja Docs mainly I think but she has a good eye for design. Yes, Brian would be good
20:14 mgage remembering that this is short what are themes can you think of? -- any of these that we're not likely to have the right people for? or the time?
20:16 aubreyja hmm…well, I'm not sure there are many fully 3-day projects
20:17 aubreyja I think b/c of the shortness it's probably particularly important to keep it very focused
20:17 mgage yes --me too -- I'm willing to put some stuff and then pare it down drastically
20:18 aubreyja and have almost only people there who are up to speed with git, already working on a specific project, etc.
20:19 mgage mostly yes -- although these are always an opportunity to hook more people into a project -- hence the invitation to the wpi folk -- but in that case there is probably a designated shepherd whose sole job is to help out the new folk.
20:20 aubreyja That's a good idea
20:20 aubreyja What about somebody like Andras? He could work on addressing those xss vulnerabilities
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20:21 mgage As to git -- that is another project -- and getting a good page written up on standardizing the use of git and github for the webwork project is another good theme.  I've developed a tentative procedure and written it up some but it needs more work.
20:21 aubreyja Alex Basyrov made good progress
20:21 aubreyja ok, I'll have al ook
20:30 mgage since it's a short camp flying people in from long distances might be expensive both cost (and more importantly) time wise.  Who else is in the north east?
20:49 mgage aubreyja: are you able/ planning to come?  what about JT?
21:29 aubreyja Sorry -back - I am not yet planning to come, but I may be able too. I wanted to see how it shakes out first.  Maybe it's best to keep this one small and limited to NE people?
21:31 mgage it's something I've been thinking of.  -- I've been holding back a bit until I heard from northeast people -- unfortunately haven't heard from many of them yet
21:45 mgage afk

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