Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #webwork, 2013-08-21

| Channels | #webwork index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary

All times shown according to UTC.

Time Nick Message
08:14 _ilbot joined #webwork
08:14 Topic for #webwork is now WeBWorK (http://webwork.maa.org) is an open-source online homework system for math and sciences courses. WeBWorK is supported by the MAA and the NSF. | Release notes: http://goo.gl/Ry5HN | Channel logged at http://goo.gl/jELTn
12:13 mgage joined #webwork
13:08 mgage joined #webwork
13:15 goehle joined #webwork
13:53 mgage joined #webwork
14:46 goehle Hey mgage
14:46 mgage hi
14:46 goehle how was the vacation/trip/thing
14:48 mgage good mostly -- it's good to be back at home though.  The week at the EEFC balkan music camp was relaxing.
14:48 goehle nice
14:48 goehle I just wanted to check in and see what was going on about some of the existing pull requests
14:49 mgage the two weeks in california at Sandy's family reunion got interrupted a bit by preparing the proposal for the supplement  to the webwork grant -- I hadn't been expecting that .  We got it however.
14:50 mgage how is the sleep situation? :-)
14:50 goehle nice congrats
14:50 goehle heh, some  nights are better than others
14:50 goehle howie had gas last night
14:50 goehle which is a tough one because it makes him cry and there isn't a whole lot we can do about it
14:50 mgage it's all interesting though -- every age is the best one
14:51 goehle he has gained almost 2 pounds already, so hes growing up fast
14:52 mgage if you want an easy (or easier) one take a look at KellyBlack's submission -- it's mostly modifications to PG macros -- I haven't looked closely but I don't think it will interfere with anything previously.
14:52 goehle will do
14:53 goehle are you still handling the WWPlot and Classlist Manager requests?
14:53 mgage SVG is a moderately big one since it touches so many files and rewrites some of WWPlot (quite likely improvements) -- it's on my stack and getting closer to the top.
14:53 goehle the Classlist Manager one is also huge
14:54 goehle 91 commits and 3707 changed files :/
14:54 mgage the changes from peter staab are huge and will probably require several of us to work on it.  I'm trying to keep a working copy available at devel1.webwork.maa.org -- it probably needs an update -- I'll try to get to that today.
14:54 goehle including (another?) js reorganization
14:55 mgage yeah and a lot of that is rearrangement of .js stuff. I'm trying to encourage peter to break this up so that we can integrate incrementally
14:56 mgage using bowser.js for example may be a good idea but it's not integral to the rest and complicates the review process.
14:56 goehle that would be helpful.  Is the new ui intented to replace the existing webwork ui, or is it a prototype for the eventual webwork 3 ui?
14:57 mgage probably the latter -- but I'm still inclined to fold things in incrementally -- complete rewrites take a long time to debug and then even longer to get used (which is part of why they take so long to debug)
14:59 goehle good to know.  I guess my only worry is that if integrating it into the existing system forces us to change a lot the current ui/backend/whatever then we may end up with lots of debugging either way
14:59 goehle still, forcing the new ui to be modular enough that it can integrate with both webwork2 and webwork3 in a reasonable way is a noble goal
15:00 mgage the "reset problems" pull request needs to be discussed -- possibly on webwork-devel mailing list.  I know the guys at Portland CC are interested in something like this and Gravel in Canada.  it's not something that everyone will want however (in fact many will explicitly NOT want this to be possible) so we have to figure out how to fold it in a way that makes everyone happy.
15:00 goehle it does go against some of the unspoken rules (like not deleting past answers)
15:00 goehle how is it different than using a gateway quiz
15:00 goehle (besides the fact that it deletes previous attempts)
15:01 mgage well the new ui will largely go through the webworkwebservice interface (or  a new version of that) -- and that needs a lot of work in any case since I first built it many years ago and it hasn't received much use until recently.
15:01 goehle would a hangout be better for discussing this (I find the webwork devel list hard to read sometimes)
15:01 goehle (this = reset problems)
15:03 mgage the devel list leaves a paper trail which would be helpful in this case -- we could also just discuss it by posting issues. on github -- that's on my stack as well .  I agree that deleting past answers is always a bad idea -- particularly since one of the use cases for that data is math edu research (e.g. the purpose of new supplement money)
15:04 goehle we could always discuss it as part of the pull request.  I could post the same questions on the request that I'm asking you
15:21 mgage those comments on the pull request also get listed in issues -- I think that is good place for this.
15:21 goehle sounds good
15:37 goehle oh, one other question
15:37 mgage yes
15:37 goehle if we do pull in the reset problems pull request
15:38 goehle I think the table in the homework sets editor is getting a little out of control
15:38 goehle the reset problems feature would add yet another column to that table
15:38 goehle and its already hard to format
15:38 mgage that's another reason to go slowly on adding this feature.
15:39 goehle i'll bring it up in the pull request
15:39 goehle but another option
15:39 goehle is to have the feature toggleable in in ProblemSetDetail
15:39 goehle but not on the Homework Sets Editor page
15:39 goehle and to limit the table on that page to just the essentials
15:40 mgage that's a good suggestion
15:40 goehle (maybe even removing Hide Hints and Reduced Credit)
15:40 mgage put that in the issue comment
15:40 goehle will do
15:51 mgage afk
18:57 rbeezer joined #webwork
20:51 mgage joined #webwork
22:57 mgage joined #webwork

| Channels | #webwork index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary