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IRC log for #mojo, 2018-05-22

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00:06 mohawk quite interested (and prepared to be vastly unsurprised) at follow-ons
00:12 mohawk fear not - i already have a comedic follow-up set up :-)
01:02 mohawk (spoiler: "diversity")
01:51 dylan Is there a way of adding new options / command line parsing to the 'daemon' command?
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01:57 Topic for #mojo is now 🍩 nom nom | Mojoconf Sep 6-7 2018 http://mojoconf.org | https://mojolicious.org | https://irclog.mojolicious.org | https://code-of-conduct.mojolicious.org
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05:50 marcus mohawk: I'm not sure how to parse your comments, but they don't seem very welcoming :-/
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08:30 sri i concur with marcus
08:31 sri mohawk: explain, or we have to give you a formal warning
09:19 sri reminder for everyone, i ninja released this yesterday https://github.com/kraih/mojo/compare/v7.80...v7.81
09:19 sri the way request ids are generated by default is something we can change any time https://github.com/kraih/mojo/compare/v7.80...v7.81#diff-253779edd78785613a2a8904fba9563fR14
09:19 sri so if you have a better idea, let me know
09:20 sri limits still stand, no extra cpan modules, 8 chars long, readable/memorable, and as unique as possible
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10:13 simbabque hello
10:13 simbabque when was the ladder keyword removed?
10:14 simbabque I can only find two commits from 2010 that add it, but nothing that removes it again
10:15 simbabque possibly at the same time as bridge was removed?
10:15 sri before 1.0 in 2010 i suppose
10:17 simbabque I came accross it in https://stackoverflow.com/q/50459229/1331451
10:17 simbabque they have posted a bunch of questions, going through https://github.com/garu/tweetylicious/blob/master/tweetylicious.pl to learn mojo
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11:16 marcus https://www.perl.com/article/the-2018-perl-developer-survey-results/ seems all frameworks has lost mindshare in 2018
11:17 hahainternet wow 37% have checked out perl6
11:17 hahainternet that's better than i expected
11:17 hahainternet although it's actually down a fair bit since last year
11:17 hahainternet i disagree that it doesn't 'bode well'
11:17 hahainternet it just means the quantity of perl 5 people surveyed increased
11:21 sri 20% are new participants
11:24 sri at least CGI has no users anymore :)
11:25 sri looks like all the new participants don't do web dev
11:25 sri which is odd, since the web percentage has gone up to 53%
11:27 sri wait, could you only make one choice on the framework question?
11:27 sri it seems to add up to 100%
11:27 sri so, moose stole all those percentages
11:28 sri that's very a very misleading comparison then
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11:30 hahainternet tbqh most surveys are terrible in most ways
11:30 hahainternet perl still suffers greatly from the attitude that it is archaic
11:30 hahainternet which is just a meme, but that is how things go these days it seems :(
11:31 sri marcus: doesn't look like a loss to me, just numbers shifting around due to changes in the survey
11:31 hahainternet i do my best to counter it whenever i get called out on writing Perl
11:31 sri the only way to counter the meme is to embrace the meme
11:31 hahainternet personally i disagree
11:32 hahainternet when you actually come to use Mojo, its beauty is undeniable
11:32 sri double down, make cool dinosaur perl stickers and so on
11:32 sri :p
11:32 hahainternet i see where you're coming from, but I feel the sanctimonious nature of most programming communities will work against it
11:32 marcus I want a dinosaur hat
11:32 hahainternet perl is simply not cool at the moment
11:33 hahainternet what i like doing re: perl6, is just rewriting any snippets i see in it
11:33 hahainternet because most of the time it comes out much closer to the required semantics, more succinct and clearer
11:33 hahainternet the same is true of Mojo
11:34 sri marcus: i still have a few dinosaur patches briandfoy sent me, will bring you one to oslo, then you just need some velcro on your hat :)
11:34 marcus sri: cool
11:35 marcus was actually thinking something like http://www.dumbingofage.com/tag/hat/
11:37 sri these, don't have many left though https://imgur.com/a/pL4Wua9
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11:41 sri looks like they only have a laptop sash so far https://www.nerdmeritbadges.com
11:42 sri (think i only have two left, so they are very much a collectors item)
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11:48 sri marcus: btw. 319 out of 1024 participants is 31%
11:49 marcus sri: The survey seems pretty flawed indeed
11:49 marcus who'd have thunk it
11:50 sri oh, and 268 out of 849 participants is also 31%
11:50 sri so, with an increased number of participants we ended up with the same percentage
11:52 sri they calculated the percentages differently for each year, and did not account at all for multi votes
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12:20 sri who would have thought that it's so hard to buy a book legally, i've been trying for like three days to get one from Pearson
12:20 sri it's like they are just trying to make me go away
12:24 hahainternet what's the trouble sri?
12:24 sri checkout gives me error message -> i open ticket -> they tell me that's impossible, and close the ticket
12:24 hahainternet do you have a + in your email address?
12:25 sri no
12:25 hahainternet i only ask because in the last 3 weeks
12:25 hahainternet one company has failed to even connect to my mx
12:25 hahainternet and two companies have been unable to reset my password
12:25 hahainternet due to +
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13:02 jberger I really don't understand what motivated mohawk's comment earlier, and I will listen to an appeal if he chooses to make one
13:03 jberger however reading the highlighted bullets in the code of conduct, https://mojolicious.org/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides/Contributing#CODE-OF-CONDUCT, a comment informing someone that they are "an outsider" is an egregious breach of both the letter and the spirit of that document
13:04 jberger morroot: I apologize on behalf of the channel, mohawk: we are going to have to decide what to do, but you will be at least formally warned if not given a temporary ban (that decision will be rendered soon)
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13:16 Lee kie27 went away, but you shouldn't be using password grant unless your mobile app is using SSL-pinning
13:17 Lee and even then you should probably favour implicit grant

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