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Topic for #perl6 is now »ö« Welcome to Perl 6! | https://perl6.org/ | evalbot usage: 'p6: say 3;' or rakudo:, or /msg camelia p6: ... | irclog: http://irc.perl6.org or http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/perl6 | UTF-8 is our friend! |
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MasterDuke |
m: my %h = :2nd, :1st; dd %h; %h = Empty; dd %h |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar db8b218f6: OUTPUT: «Hash %h = {:nd(2), :st(1)}Hash %h = {}» |
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MasterDuke |
m: my %h = :2nd, :1st; dd %h; %h = (); dd %h |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar db8b218f6: OUTPUT: «Hash %h = {:nd(2), :st(1)}Hash %h = {}» |
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Herby_ |
thanks :) |
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Herby_ |
dumb question time |
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Herby_ |
nm. |
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Voldenet |
hm, I wouldn't mind if perl6 had built-in http client |
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Voldenet |
or json |
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\o |
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Hi |
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jmerelo |
p6: say "with an #" ~~ /<(\w+)> '#' / |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «Nil» |
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jmerelo |
p6: say "with an #" ~~ / '#' / |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «｢#｣» |
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jmerelo |
p6: say "with an #" ~~ /<(\w+)> \s+ '#' / |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «｢an｣» |
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¦ doc: 0a92a89fd7 | 陈梓立++ | doc/Type/Hash.pod6 |
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¦ doc: Fix duplicated index entries on :{} |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/0a92a89fd7 |
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synopsebot |
Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/Hash |
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¦ doc: JJ self-assigned .tarvis.yml down https://github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1930 |
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¦ doc: 69bd4a293b | (JJ Merelo)++ | .travis.yml |
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¦ doc: Eliminates repeated matrix closes #1930 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/69bd4a293b |
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¦ doc: 9b1a88acf5 | 陈梓立++ | doc/Language/grammars.pod6 |
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¦ doc: Eliminates sym index duplicate, #1912 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/9b1a88acf5 |
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¦ doc: 69d741ec4c | 陈梓立++ | .travis.yml |
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¦ doc: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:perl6/doc |
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synopsebot |
Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/grammars |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/69d741ec4c |
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¦ doc: 32065f7604 | 陈梓立++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6 |
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synopsebot |
Link: https://doc.perl6.org/language/operators |
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¦ doc: Eliminates «=» index duplicate, #1912 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/32065f7604 |
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jmerelo |
Travis builds per day, from the beginning https://github.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/blob/master/illos/travis-builds-date-basic.png |
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jmerelo |
Still have to hone it somewhat, and plot per month too, but tives you an idea of overall activity |
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jmerelo |
One advantage of having two different and independent tests is that it helps filter spurious errors, such as here https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/366998702?utm_source=email&utm_medium=notification |
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jmerelo |
We get the "zed value $repo-id of type Any in string context." for no reason sometimes |
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¦ doc: 528a69a3b6 | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Type/IO/Socket/INET.pod6 |
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¦ doc: Improve IO::Socket::INET.accept() documentation. |
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¦ doc: |
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¦ doc: Specify that a new socket instance is returned by such method. |
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¦ doc: Close issue #1929. |
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synopsebot |
Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Socket::INET |
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¦ doc: |
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¦ doc: Description as of rakudo source 2018.01. |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/528a69a3b6 |
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¦ doc: f860dab4fb | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Adds shippable config refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/f860dab4fb |
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¦ doc: a2d6144efa | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Adds correct image name refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/a2d6144efa |
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¦ doc: efd46ebde1 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Adds correct env variable refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/efd46ebde1 |
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¦ doc: b2e44ac304 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Testing build dir #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/b2e44ac304 |
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¦ doc: 579ef8a287 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Fixes test refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/579ef8a287 |
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¦ doc/master: 4 commits pushed by (Luca Ferrari)++ |
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¦ doc/master: 9cd346ab66 | Improve the IO::Socket::INET.new method description. |
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¦ doc/master: c31172eeee | Add : in front of all pair descriptions in IO::Socket::INET.new. |
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¦ doc/master: 86fb20c4e1 | Adjust article for IO::Socket::INET.accept method description. |
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¦ doc/master: d378e69308 | Merge branch 'master' of github.com:perl6/doc |
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¦ doc/master: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/579ef8a287f0...d378e69308c9 |
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¦ doc: 0728d80e1e | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Type/IO/Socket/INET.pod6 |
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¦ doc: Return value of IO::Socket::INET.get is Nil on EOF. |
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¦ doc: |
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¦ doc: According to the implementation of IO::Socket and IO::Socket::INET |
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¦ doc: the get method returns Nil on end of input, not a type object: |
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synopsebot |
Link: https://doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Socket::INET |
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¦ doc: |
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¦ doc: $line.DEFINITE ?? $line !! Nil |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/0728d80e1e |
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lizmat |
https://github.com/Tyil/lonestar # whee! |
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lizmat: :> |
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¦ doc: b2954e9fff | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Trying to find out container dir |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/b2954e9fff |
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¦ doc: 6dffa09dfa | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Test with declared volumes |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/6dffa09dfa |
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¦ doc: 0adca6f07a | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Trying @zixia's approach |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/0adca6f07a |
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¦ doc: 9b398a70cc | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Eliminates volume inspect |
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¦ doc: 10ffb28256 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Different maps refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/10ffb28256 |
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¦ doc: e11580f619 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Creates dir for mapping refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/e11580f619 |
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¦ doc: b403c41b4c | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Setting dirs alright refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: a64e2bdf10 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Exploring directories refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/a64e2bdf10 |
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¦ doc: 378c94750b | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Still trying. Looking for mapped dirs #1931 |
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¦ doc: 0539c4d9bd | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Still trying. Looking for mapped dirs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/0539c4d9bd |
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¦ doc: 0753a5e15e | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Eliminates errored mkdir #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/0753a5e15e |
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¦ doc: e60e12d5f9 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Trouble-free mkdir inserted #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/e60e12d5f9 |
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¦ doc: 716762c9b0 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Simplifies configuration #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/716762c9b0 |
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¦ museum-items: d7398f4c46 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | README.md |
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¦ museum-items: Add link to blog post |
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¦ museum-items: review: https://github.com/perl6/museum-items/commit/d7398f4c46 |
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Zoffix |
New blog post: "WANTED: Perl 6 Historical Items": https://rakudo.party/post/WANTED-Perl-6-Historical-Items |
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ilmari |
did anyone keep the shards of the infamous mug? |
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lizmat |
weekly: https://rakudo.party/post/WANTED-Perl-6-Historical-Items |
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notable6 |
lizmat, Noted! |
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pmurias |
https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1542 - why is this PR stalled? |
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* Zoffix |
passed it over because Zoffix cannot competently review that code. |
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tyil |
Zoffix: the "a" shouldnt be in ( ) in your latest post |
| 11:24 |
tyil |
in "I'm working on (a second) facelift to perl6.org website." |
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pmurias |
does jstuder-gh visit irc? |
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tyil |
/whowas doesnt say anything about a jstuder-gh |
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pmurias: I've seen them once, but usually no |
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timotimo |
i'd assume the -gh is only for use on github, though |
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jkramer |
I just heard about that mug thing for the first time, cool story :D https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.packrats/2002/07/msg3.html |
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jkramer |
"*>Did anyone keep some broken cups for later display in musuem? --- No :)" |
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¦ museum-items: 81af7506e0 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2002/The-Jon-Orwant-mug-throwing-incident-at-P5P-meeting.md |
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¦ museum-items: Add mug throwing incident email thread |
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¦ museum-items: review: https://github.com/perl6/museum-items/commit/81af7506e0 |
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tyil: thanks, but can't be bothered to update that. |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: bc1661e3cf | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Language/pod.pod6 |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: Short introduction to Pod introspection. |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: See issue #1907 |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/bc1661e3cf |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: 5da4415091 | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Language/pod.pod6 |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: Remove extra blank spaces. |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/5da4415091 |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: d215f47243 | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Language/pod.pod6 |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: Add Perl6 subject in statement. |
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¦ doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/d215f47243 |
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¦ doc: fluca1978++ created pull request #1933: Fluca1978 pod introspection |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1933 |
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* Zoffix |
does it anyway... |
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¦ doc: JJ assigned to fluca1978 Issue The pod section of the docs should mention how to access pod via $= https://github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1907 |
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He https://web.archive.org/web/20160327034915/http://www.spidereyeballs.com/os5/set1/small_os5_r06_9705.html |
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¦ doc: a0e725555f | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files |
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¦ doc: Catches exception when there are htmlify errors |
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¦ doc: |
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¦ doc: This would actually refs #1932, but I'm piggybacking on this to test |
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¦ doc: shippable too. |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/a0e725555f |
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¦ museum-items: d0a968c81f | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2002/The-Jon-Orwant-mug-throwing-incident-at-P5P-meeting.md |
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¦ museum-items: Update The-Jon-Orwant-mug-throwing-incident-at-P5P-meeting.md |
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¦ museum-items: review: https://github.com/perl6/museum-items/commit/d0a968c81f |
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¦ doc: bc4388b506 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Still testing shippable #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/bc4388b506 |
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¦ doc: f88821dc10 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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¦ doc: Using directly the image #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/f88821dc10 |
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¦ doc: Using correct name image #1931 |
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[Coke] |
jmerelo: do you still have questions about the "" != "" line in the doc test? |
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[Coke] |
[#perl6] |
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[Coke] |
https://github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/Makefile#L40-L46 |
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jmerelo |
[Coke]: that was not really the issue, only that was close to where the error was happening. It was eventually due to not setting up PATH properly from inside a shell script |
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jmerelo |
[Coke]: I got that working yesterday; problem now is I can't get shippable to work. |
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jmerelo |
Although it seems to be liking the last one https://app.shippable.com/github/perl6/doc/runs/474/1/console |
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[Coke] |
you can make curl/wget follow redirects, if that helps |
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[Coke] |
re: 745e2512c0 |
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tadzik |
soo, Perl 6 history museum? Neat idea :) |
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pmurias |
Zoffix: re using history for marketing I feel a lot of the Perl 6 attempts feel apart by failing to bring a community of developers to push them rather than insurmountable obstacles |
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Zoffix |
pmurias: submit your factual evidence of that to the museum-items repo. |
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Zoffix |
Or detailed personal account of the events that led you to that conclusion. You know, something that could be placed in a museum |
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* [Coke] |
feels like we're not reviewing prs in doc before merging them. |
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* [Coke] |
will attempt to review PRs more actively to help from that end. |
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Zoffix |
[Coke]: I do review them. What in particular caught your eye to give the impression they aren't? |
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AlexDaniel |
[Coke]: example? To me it feels like we're not reviewing direct commits enough, but PRs typically get some eyes. |
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AlexDaniel |
or you mean typos and stuff? |
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Zoffix |
.tell DrForr you done a bunch of Perl 6 workshops. Do you got any advice to offer for what should be included in our Perl 6 Starter Kit? https://github.com/perl6/marketing/issues/14 |
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yoleaux |
Zoffix: I'll pass your message to DrForr. |
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¦ museum-items: Future-proof potential creation of PDF/prints of the Museum |
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[Coke] |
Yes, I was referring to typos, code that doesn't compile, etc. Best way for me to be happy there is to more proactively review the PRs, so will do so. no worries. |
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buggable |
New CPAN upload: List-MoreUtils-0.0.1.tar.gz by ELIZABETH https://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/E/EL/ELIZABETH/Perl6/List-MoreUtils-0.0.1.tar.gz |
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ufobat___ |
i've got 2 lists, and i want to compare those 2 and count the number of elements that are the same on their position |
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ufobat___ |
like (1,2,4) and (1,99,4) => True, False, True => so i am looking for _2_ |
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ufobat___ |
i could @a Z[==] @b and then? .grep()? |
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jkramer |
m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(*.so).elems |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «2» |
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jkramer |
There's probably a shorter/nicer way |
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ufobat |
*.so is what i wasn't able to work out! |
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yoleaux |
14 Apr 2018 00:30Z <Zoffix> ufobat: how come Bailador has a badge saying it ain't maintained (as of 2017)? https://i.imgur.com/bUlIUfa.png |
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yoleaux |
14 Apr 2018 00:41Z <Zoffix> ufobat: nm, mistery solved: https://github.com/Bailador/Bailador/pull/302 |
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ufobat |
i didnt know that that so is a method |
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AlexDaniel |
m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(*).elems |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «3» |
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AlexDaniel |
m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(?*).elems |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «2» |
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AlexDaniel |
m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(True).elems |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «Cannot use Bool as Matcher with '.grep'. Did you mean to use $_ inside a block? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1» |
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AlexDaniel |
no I actually meant to use Bool as Matcher |
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AlexDaniel |
because why not |
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AlexDaniel |
well, there's probably some WAT that is hidden by this, I guess |
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AlexDaniel |
m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(1).elems |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «2» |
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ufobat |
but thats obfuscated |
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ufobat |
thats because Bool is an enumeration and True is the 1st? |
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jkramer |
m: say +((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(?*) |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «2» |
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AlexDaniel |
m: say True ~~ 1 |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «True» |
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AlexDaniel |
yea |
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jkramer |
Saves .elems |
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jeckyhl |
hi! I would like to kow how to write a file with non-ascci characters in file name |
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jeckyhl |
I've tried spurt "héllo.txt", "data and stuff\n"; but this writes "héllo.txt" |
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Juerd |
It seems it assumes things need to be encoded as UTF-8, while your environment is probably latin1 |
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Juerd |
1;0 juerd cxien:~$ perl6 -e'"héllo".encode.decode("latin1").say' |
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Juerd |
Can not decode a utf-8 buffer as if it were latin1 |
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Juerd |
Err... |
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jeckyhl |
@Juerd is there a way that a could change some settings so perl6 handle filenames as latin1 ? |
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Juerd |
jeckyhl: I have no idea, sorry. |
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jeckyhl |
@jeckyhl no pb thks |
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jmerelo |
jeckyhl: I'll take a look, but please submit that question also to StackOverflow. We need perl6 questions there |
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jeckyhl |
@jmerelo OK |
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El_Che |
hi jmerelo |
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jmerelo |
Hi El_Che |
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El_Che |
hi everyone |
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Zoffix |
jeckyhl: what operating system are you on, Windows? |
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El_Che |
jmerelo: how do you want to create a matrix of available versions? programmatically? (working on bintray repos now, seeing if I can upload all the debs of a build and make distinctions between os/release) |
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Zoffix |
AlexDaniel: the wat is that smartmatch with True is always True. |
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AlexDaniel |
ahhhh |
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AlexDaniel |
right |
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El_Che |
Zoffix++ for the site migration. |
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jeckyhl |
@Zoffix yes Windows 7 pro french |
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jmerelo |
El_Che: not sure you can do that, unless you work on the travis build system itself |
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stmuk_ |
Zoffix: maybe a known issue but there is a report on perl6-users that star msi download is broken |
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Zoffix |
jeckyhl: and you're using cmd.exe to run your script? It's not using utf8 by default. Run this command: chcp 65001 then try the perl 6 script again |
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stmuk_ |
https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.users/2018/04/msg4724.html |
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jeckyhl |
Zoffix It's not cmd i ran a .p6 file directly with perl.exe (the source file is UTF-8 encoded) |
| 14:59 |
Zoffix |
jeckyhl: I just tried with `chcp 65001` thing and it didn't help either :( |
| 14:59 |
Zoffix |
1 sec. Let me experiment with it |
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moritz |
stmuk_: https://rakudo.org/latest/star/win64 seems to be the new stable link |
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jeckyhl |
Zoffix: :( |
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stmuk_ |
moritz: ok I'll reply on list and keep an eye open for any old links |
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Zoffix |
moritz: stmuk_ no wait |
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Zoffix |
The old links still meant to work |
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stmuk_ |
ok |
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El_Che |
I just checked and for rakudo-pkg I didn't have to replace links |
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El_Che |
bbl |
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Zoffix |
m: say "/downloads/star/rakudo-star-latest-x86_64 (JIT).msi" eq "/downloads/star/rakudo-star-latest-x86_64 (JIT).msi" |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «True» |
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Zoffix |
:/ |
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moritz |
maybe some URL escaping fanciness with space and () ? |
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Geth |
¦ doc: 71ee3f6bcb | (JJ Merelo)++ | Makefile |
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¦ doc: Debugs shippable refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/71ee3f6bcb |
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moritz |
jmerelo: I must say that these commit messages give me no idea what's actually going on |
| 15:05 |
moritz |
if you add a "build: " or so to the commit message, it makes more sense |
| 15:05 |
jmerelo |
moritz: OK |
| 15:06 |
jmerelo |
moritz: today is the day I've got to fight with shippable. Again bumpled into the same problem I had yesterday, make apparently not using the $PATH or something |
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Zoffix |
nah, it's interraction betweeen Redirect and RewriteRules |
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Zoffix |
jeckyhl: what do you mean by "directly with perl.exe"? You're typing your commands in this black window, right? And you write "perl6.exe your-script.p6" right? |
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¦ doc: [Build] Test shippable executable paths refs #1931 |
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¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/d96c244f90 |
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jeckyhl |
Zoffix yes I mean I write my code with my favorite editor, I save to "script.pl6" and the perl6 script.pl6 |
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jeckyhl |
..an then perl6 ... |
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* Zoffix |
is failing on both fronts.... |
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Zoffix |
Has this really been broken all the time? Can't create "héllo.txt" as a filename on Windows? |
| 15:20 |
Zoffix |
jeckyhl: what perl6 version are you using? |
| 15:20 |
jeckyhl |
Zoffix: Rakudo version 2018.03-209-g28c9ae4fa built on MoarVM version 2018.03-99-g4234ab56b implementing Perl 6.c |
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¦ doc: [Build] Finding out installation dir |
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Zoffix |
samcv: timotimo do you know the trick to it? Creating filename named `héllo.txt` on windows. Currently it creates gibberish |
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stmuk_ |
I think utf-8 output on windows was one of A. Sinan Unur |
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stmuk_ |
's complaints |
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Zoffix |
The only thing I remember is command line args and that was fixed |
| 15:26 |
Zoffix |
stmuk_: can you reply to that user on the mailing list, saying the old link is now fixed (though browsers cache redirects and it may need some cache purging for it to work again right). Or they can use the new link directly: https://rakudo.org/latest/star/win64 |
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stmuk_ |
Zoffix: someone else replied with the new link already but I'll reply with the link fix |
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¦ rakudo.org: 4527c9c0b5 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | apache.conf |
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¦ rakudo.org: Fix ups to redirect old `latest` URLs right |
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Zoffix |
jeckyhl: this works: "héllo.txt".encode("latin1").decode("utf8-c8").IO.spurt: "data and stuff\n"; |
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jeckyhl |
Zoffix: I works |
| 15:34 |
Zoffix |
jeckyhl: I'm hoping it can be made to work without needing that workaround. I filed an Issue for that: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1737 |
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jeckyhl |
Zoffix: If it can be useful [assume héllo.txt is created] for dir(test => /.txt/) -> $file { say $file.IO.slurp; } # --> Failed to open file... |
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Zoffix |
:( |
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jeckyhl |
:S |
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Zoffix |
looks like the same problem as original |
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Geth |
¦ doc/master: 5 commits pushed by (JJ Merelo)++ |
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¦ doc/master: d62d04964c | Tests ubication of stuff |
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¦ doc/master: 0340dd0d51 | Follow instructions |
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¦ doc/master: 4f25b192c1 | Eliminate errored instruction |
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¦ doc/master: e1b3b0f29a | Sets up path |
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¦ doc/master: e49abf242f | Shippable works, takes some time, closes #1971 |
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Zoffix |
jeckyhl: for dir :test{.ends-with: '.txt'} -> $file { say $file.absolute.encode("latin1").decode("utf8-c8").IO.slurp } |
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jeckyhl |
Zoffix: :) |
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jmerelo |
Shippable takes 7 minutes, but it's not running htmlify https://app.shippable.com/github/JJ/doc/runs/5 |
| 15:44 |
jmerelo |
At least it can be a fast check of the t/*, which are the most usual problems |
| 15:44 |
jmerelo |
It should save 4 minutes more, I think, as soon as it's cached, so we might have early results of tests in less than 4 minutes. |
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Zoffix |
jeckyhl: here, stick it somewhere at the top of your program: for Str, IO::Path { with .^lookup: 'IO' { .wrap: -> \p { IO::Path.new: (p ~~ Str ?? p !! p.absolute).encode("latin1").decode: "utf8-c8" } } } |
| 15:45 |
jmerelo |
I have prepared a specific container for shippable, anyway, just in case cache does not kick in in shippable |
| 15:46 |
Zoffix |
jeckyhl: then your regular code should work. And I'm gonna add a note on that Issue that .dir stuff is also broken |
| 15:46 |
jmerelo |
Zoffix, jeckyhl: please replicate these question and answer in StackOverflow. Thanks! |
| 15:47 |
* Zoffix |
isn't a fan of StackOverflow, so someone else will need to do it |
| 15:48 |
jmerelo |
Zoffix: I can post an answer and point to your answer here, don't worry about that. But please, by all means, try and populate StackOverflow and other places with perl6 Q&A. It's the place to go for every dev |
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jeckyhl |
Zoffix: with IO::Path fix, regular code works for me too |
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Zoffix |
cool |
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jeckyhl |
Bye everyone, thx Juerd & Zoffix |
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Zoffix |
\o |
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¦ museum-items: 2fccea7d05 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 0000-Multi-Year/Perl-6-Imaginary-Timeline.md |
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¦ museum-items: Add Perl-6-Imaginary-Timeline |
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¦ museum-items: |
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¦ museum-items: From FB comment |
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jmerelo |
perl6/doc builds per month in Travis https://github.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/blob/master/illos/travis-builds-date-by-month.png Curious it comes and goes. And the peak was in July 2016 |
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jmerelo |
Jump directly to the image https://raw.githubusercontent.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/master/illos/travis-builds-date-by-month.png |
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buggable |
New CPAN upload: Bailador-Plugin-NamedQueries-0.001000.tar.gz by MZIESCHA https://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/M/MZ/MZIESCHA/Perl6/Bailador-Plugin-NamedQueries-0.001000.tar.gz |
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¦ doc: Eliminates dead code |
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[Coke] |
\o/ |
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jmerelo |
[Coke]: hi! |
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[Coke] |
hi |
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cfa |
morning all |
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jmerelo |
cfa: sun setting over sunny Southern Spain, so good evening :-) |
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stmuk_ |
https://docs.perl6.org/language/glossary#UGT |
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cfa |
jmerelo: evening! |
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jmerelo |
Off to dinner. See you tomorrow! |
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lizmat |
and another Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: https://p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/04/16/2018-16-so-that/ |
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tyil |
lizmat++ |
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¦ marketing: e6219b319e | (Zoffix Znet)++ | LOGOs/Camelia/Alt-Variants/Camelia - Recoloured - Perfect Rainbow---FAVICON.ico |
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¦ marketing: Add favicon of Perfect Rainbow Camelia |
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El_Che |
"Samantha McVey made sure that MoarVM / nqp / Rakudo build on Solaris" <--- more info? |
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El_Che |
lizmat: "Samantha McVey made sure that MoarVM / nqp / Rakudo build on Solaris" <--- more info? |
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samcv |
hello |
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lizmat |
that's what it said in the MoarVM commit log ? |
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El_Che |
lizmat: the link of jjmerelo's tweet is weird: "Understanding Repo Dynamics by ." |
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El_Che |
twice |
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lizmat |
yeah, fixed now |
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lizmat |
right? |
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lizmat |
copy pasto |
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El_Che |
refresh does not shows a corrected version |
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samcv |
MoarVM: i fixed libtommath building on solaris (got changed upstreamed too), fixed a problem building moarvm on 32-bit solaris; fixed a problem with Configure.pl on solaris (nqp/rakudo) |
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El_Che |
I worked on Solaris packages some time ago, and gave up |
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samcv |
hah |
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Zoffix |
lizmat++ # good weekly |
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Zoffix |
lizmat: would you mind changing "please contact Zoffix Znet" to "please see blog post for details: https://rakudo.party/post/WANTED-Perl-6-Historical-Items " ? |
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samcv |
El_Che: the reason i fixed solaris was while i was testing my MoarVM pr on all platforms https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/pull/841 since it depends on platform specific random functions on os's that support them |
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Zoffix |
I kinda lurk in the shadows and I imagine most people don't know how to contact me and it's better if they commit history items directly to repo. |
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samcv |
which was a pain in the BUTT |
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samcv |
and finding all the C define's for determining OS version, and finding what os version these commands were added to, researching whether they blocked or not, testing on every platform etc |
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El_Che |
samcv: did you build it with gcc or SunStudio? |
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samcv |
gcc |
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El_Che |
ok |
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samcv |
well i followed solaris's instructions |
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El_Che |
it used to be the wrong answer |
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El_Che |
but nowadays it's the better choice |
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samcv |
and on solaris had to fix a problem compiling on 32bit with cflags |
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El_Che |
so, If I try to build 2018.04, the changes will be included? |
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samcv |
which was annoying. we pass -U_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 so we get access to large files on 32 bit |
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samcv |
but one of our libraries includes libelf from solaris which basically puts in a die condition if that is defined to something not our arch |
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samcv |
which i guess makes sense, since that section of the codebase can't access large files since it's 32bit arch. but annoying that solaris dies there |
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El_Che |
(I used to do a lot of Solaris infra, then Oracle happened, moved to a job without Solaris and the opensource solaris project I helped with their Perl (5) packages is kind of in coma) |
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Zoffix |
lizmat++ # thanks :) |
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lizmat |
Zoffix: yw |
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samcv |
so disabled -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS by setting -U_FILE_OFFSET_BITS to negate the flag. which is okay since on solaris 64 bit that flag being passed is not needed at all after researching for a while |
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El_Che |
samcv: good catch |
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* lizmat |
calls it a night& |
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timotimo |
.tell lizmat i think "the fix makes moarvm significantly faster" is wrong, the performance difference is not noticable |
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yoleaux |
timotimo: I'll pass your message to lizmat. |
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El_Che |
timotimo: try telling stuff like that to the marketing department :) |
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buggable |
New CPAN upload: List-MoreUtils-0.0.2.tar.gz by ELIZABETH http://modules.perl6.org/dist/List::MoreUtils:cpan:ELIZABETH |
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xq |
what is the recommended reading for learning perl6 for perl5 users ? |
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El_Che |
xq: https://perl6book.com/ |
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El_Che |
xq: I just picked a small project, open these slides http://www.jnthn.net/papers/2015-spw-perl6-course.pdf and doc.perl6.org |
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El_Che |
after that a read Perl 6 Fundamentals and Think Perl 6, but more out of curiosity |
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xq |
thanks El_Che |
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El_Che |
xq: and of course, this channel |
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comborico1611 |
What is the company/project with the gecko in lightgreen and blue? |
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El_Che |
comborico1611: this one? https://www.activestate.com/sites/default/files/styles/feature_critter_image/public/solution/image/activeperl-icon-512x512_1.png?itok=7OTKH3dZ |
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comborico1611 |
El_Che: Nope. Found it. https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Lisp-programming-topic-logo-on-Quora-have-a-salamander-creature-or-something-similar-and-what-does-this-mean-or-why-did-it-originate |
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comborico1611 |
Thanks, though! |
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xq |
this page https://rakudo.org/files/star/source under linux instructions shows a curl command that is supposed to download a tarball |
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xq |
but actually executing this command results in a 321 byte file containing HTML with apache redirect. |
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El_Che |
http://rakudo.org/latest/star/source <-- that one? works here |
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xq |
El_Che http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8ab90296/ |
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xq |
following instructions from page ^ |
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samcv |
can someone help me with some probability? I'm unsure how to calculate this: we have 8 buckets, we roll an 8 sided die to decide when to add an item to the bucket. on average how many times until the bucket is full. if it takes 10 items to fill the bucket |
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Zoffix |
xq: thanks. Fixed. We just launched this updated website last night, so it still got a couple of bugs to shake out :) |
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xq |
glad to help |
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¦ rakudo.org: Set HTTPS proto for proxy |
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Herby_ |
o/ |
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Zoffix |
\o |
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samcv |
experimentally it's 47 times on average. |
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samcv |
ah i think i figured it out |
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Zoffix |
⅛*x = 10 |
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Zoffix |
m: say 10/⅛ |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 66218b59c: OUTPUT: «80» |
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samcv |
i had a suspicion i needed to use factorials to solve it |
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Zoffix |
m: say ([+] gather { for ^1000 { my $picks = 0; my $b = 0; loop { $picks++; if ^8 .pick == 1 { $b++; last if $b == 10 } }; take $picks } })/1000 |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 7251fa26c: OUTPUT: «81.679» |
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Zoffix |
m: say ([+] gather { for ^1000 { my $picks = 0; my $b = 0; loop { $picks++; if ^8 .pick == 1 { $b++; last if $b == 10 } }; take $picks } })/1000 |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 7251fa26c: OUTPUT: «82.087» |
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Zoffix |
m: say ([+] gather { for ^10000 { my $picks = 0; my $b = 0; loop { $picks++; if ^8 .pick == 1 { $b++; last if $b == 10 } }; take $picks } })/10000 |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 7251fa26c: OUTPUT: «80.1381» |
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samcv |
m: my @out; for ^10000 { my %hash; loop (my $count = 1; 1; $count++) { my $int = 8.rand.Int; %hash{$int}++; if %hash{$int} == 10 { push @out, $count; last } }; };; say ([+] @out)/@out.elems |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar 7251fa26c: OUTPUT: «48.0571» |
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El_Che |
xq: you must instruct curl to follow redirects with -L |
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El_Che |
xq: wget does that by default, curl not. E.g. this is also the case for rakudo release download (those are also redirects) cc:Zoffix |
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El_Che |
Zoffix: maybe add a -L to the instructions |
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Zoffix |
El_Che: you have the commit bit: https://github.com/perl6/rakudo.org/ |
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Zoffix |
(add [REAPP] in the title of the commit) |
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Zoffix |
samcv: did you figure out the formula? |
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xq |
I already compiled it, thanks El_Che |
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Zoffix |
samcv: I see the difference between our code is: mine = "we roll an 8-sided die and fill a bucket each time it shows 1; how many rolls until it fills" whereas yours is "we randomly fill 8 buckets on each roll; how many rolls to fill at least one of the buckets" |
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samcv |
yeah |
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* Zoffix |
makes a trip to #math |
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samcv |
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BinomialDistribution.html |
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samcv |
basically this |
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Zoffix |
the name rings a bell |
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Herby_ |
how do I make a simple grammar case insensitive? |
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Herby_ |
so 720p and 720P both match? |
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Zoffix |
:i |
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Herby_ |
where do i strategically place that :i? |
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Zoffix |
m: say grammar { token TOP { :i 720p } }.parse: '720P' |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar ceeb3a00d: OUTPUT: «｢720P｣» |
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Herby_ |
my google-fu is failing me |
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Herby_ |
ah ok |
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Zoffix |
m: say grammar { token TOP { 720 [:i p] } }.parse: '720P' |
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camelia |
rakudo-moar ceeb3a00d: OUTPUT: «｢720P｣» |
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Herby_ |
hmm |
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Herby_ |
if I have a bunch of tokens that compose my TOP token, do I have to place the :i in each "sub" token? |
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Zoffix |
Yeah |
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Herby_ |
that did it. thanks! |
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samcv |
Zoffix: ok i got it https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=k%3D46.1+N%3D8.0+x%3D10.0+k!%2F(x!(k-x)!)+*(+(N-1)%5E(k-x)%2F(N%5Ek))+*+N+*+2 |
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samcv |
for k trials and N buckets and x is the maximum number of things allowed in the bucket |
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Zoffix |
samcv: how did you come up with 46.1? |
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samcv |
and we multiple the two complex fractions by N becuase there's N buckets, otherwise we'd be getting probability for only one bucket. and we multiply everything by 2, because we want to know if it's 10 items or greater, |
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samcv |
i just plugged in numbers. i could get wolfram alpha to solve for it though |
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Zoffix |
samcv: and the 0.50 result it shows, what does that represent? |
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samcv |
i think multiplying by 2 makes sense. it makes things match reality. because without the 2 it should jus ttell us how many buckets have exactly 10. but we want 10 or more |
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samcv |
50 % chance |
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Zoffix |
50% chance that at least one bucket fills after 46.1 trials? |
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samcv |
good question |
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samcv |
yeah i think so |
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Zoffix |
#math told me it's a tricky problem. "jle` │ Zoffix: the expected amount of water after N rolls is the binomial distribution" "jle` │ Zoffix: "expected number of times before a certain event happens" is the Geoemtric Distribution" "jle` │ Zoffix: but that only applies of the event happens with equal probability every time" "jle` │ Zoffix: if you calculate those expected values you should get 80 times |
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Zoffix |
for any given bucket" "jle` │ Zoffix: but the complication happens when you consider the 'which was first'" |
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* Zoffix |
decides to go hack on a website instead :) |
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samcv |
i'm trying to model about how many keys we have to add to a hash until we double the number of buckets for our moarvm hash impl |
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samcv |
but i think this should be right |
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